Feb. 11, 2021
Pentagon Press Secretary John F. Kirby; Dr. Ely
Ratner, Senior Fellow And Deputy Director, Asia-Pacific Security
Program, Center For A New American Security
STAFF: Hello, everybody. As you can see, I have a
guest here with me today. We're going to kick off the gaggle with Dr.
Ratner, who is going to be leading the China Task Force that you heard
the president announce yesterday when he was here in the building. Dr.
Ratner has some commitments early this afternoon, so we're going to need
to get him out of here like before noon.
And before I turn it over him, just a -- just a reminder that the
China Task Force is about sort of a -- it's a coordinating function here
in the department, and policy questions with respect to China are not
questions that he'll be able to deal with today. What I wanted him to do
was come down and talk to you about the structure, the framework, the
intent, the goals of -- of the task force.
And so with that, Dr. Ratner?
DR. ELY RATNER: Great, thanks, John, and is the -- can I just turn this thing on, or we're good to go?
STAFF: I think it's – it should be on.
DR. RATNER: Yeah, OK, great.
Well, thank you, everyone. Great to see everybody. My name is Ely
Ratner. I'm currently serving as a special assistant to the secretary of
defense. I was a member of the -- just as a little bit of background,
was a member of the DOD Agency Review Team during the transition, and
also helped to lead to East Asia Working Group for the Biden campaign.
My last job in government was as deputy to the national security
advisor to then-Vice President Biden; spent some time at the State
Department, and also worked for then-Senator Biden, both on the Senate
Foreign Relations Committee and in his political staff. So that's a
little of my background -- and then have spent time in academia and
think tanks doing various aspects of the -- of the China problem set.
As it relates the task force, obviously thrilled that the president
visited yesterday, came to the department, announced the establishment
of the task force. As the -- Secretary Austin has said from very on
early from when he was announced, and he has reiterated since, he sees
China as the number-one pacing challenge for the United States, and this
task force is a manifestation of that.
As -- as everyone in this room knows, as -- as DOD has become
increasingly focused on the China challenge, there's been a
proliferation of policies, activities and -- and initiatives related to
China, and the purpose of the task force was, particularly with the new
team coming on board, a new secretary, to ensure that those activities
were synchronized, prioritized, and coordinated to the greatest extent
possible.
The goal of the task force is -- is not to boil the ocean. What we're
going to do here is try to identify the most important challenges and
opportunities for the secretary, try to identify what should serve as
his and his team's top priorities on China, whether those be issues that
need secretary-level decisions or guidance, issues that need greater
prioritization, attention, and resources, or issues that need either
strength and/or new processes to move them forward to address them.
This is going to be a four-month maximum, four-month sprint by
design; not creating a new bureaucratic layer here, but rather,
intending to conduct the task force wrap up in the May/June period,
provide recommendations to the secretary, and then hand the baton off to
various elements of the department to carry forward implementation and
review of -- of the issues.
In terms of how I foresee the task force proceeding, the initial
period of the task force will be an assessment, where the members of the
team will be spanning out across the department, doing a little bit of a
listening tour to hear what the various components are identifying as
their top initiatives, top priorities, and challenges, and then it'll be
incumbent upon the task force itself to distill those down to a
discrete set of top priorities, and then spend a period of time trying
to identify, what are the right mechanisms to address, review and -- and
implement various areas.
In terms of the team itself, some of you may have seen the fact sheet
that was released yesterday. I encourage you to -- I brought some extra
copies -- but it -- it provides a -- a little bit of additional data.
We would expect the size of the task force to be roughly around 15
individuals, all full-time DOD; not going to be bringing new folks in
from the outside. It's going to be a mix of uniformed and civilian DOD
employees from across the department, so expect representatives from
different parts of the Office of the Secretary of Defense, the Joint
Staff, the services, the combatant commands and the I.C. So we're
looking for representatives from across the department.
Where we are now in the process -- still putting some of the pieces
together, building the team as we speak. We should have more information
on that -- who the -- who is involved -- over the next couple weeks,
and likely to be releasing, over the next couple weeks, a memo from the
secretary to the -- to the department formal -- formally establishing
the task force, as well as a charter. So when -- when that's released,
we'll provide a little bit more information at the time.
And I'll just make a couple more points, and then stop.
In terms of the final product, the intent here is not to produce a
lengthy public report, but rather, to provide the secretary with a
briefing and -- and memo proposing and recommending, as I said, specific
top priorities. So that's the goal here. We will be consulting with
Congress for sure, with Legislative Affairs here; pre-notified several
of our partners on the Hill in advance of the announcement yesterday,
and I look forward to meeting with congressional staff in the weeks
ahead.
I personally am a strong believer in the imperative of a bipartisan
cooperation as it relates to the China challenge, and -- and look
forward to engaging with members and staff on both sides of the Hill.
And then, just the last thing I'll say, of course, is that this
effort is -- although it is DOD-focused, it is also carefully integrated
with the White House and the broader interagency. The secretary, of
course, had the chance to discuss this yesterday with the president
during their meeting, and the secretary had previously raised and
discussed the task force with the secretary of state, the national
security advisor, the DNI, to ensure that we're all working together on
this. And I myself have been in very regular contact with the -- my
counterparts at the NSC to ensure that what we're doing here at the
Defense Department and the task force is -- is integrated with the
broader strategy and the -- and the whole-of-government approach.
So John, why don’t I stop there, and happy to take questions.
PRESS SECRETARY JOHN F. KIRBY: Thank you, sir.
We'll start with Bob, on the phone.
STAFF: Stand by.
(UNKNOWN): OK, there's nobody -- there's no pre-briefing or anything like that going on?
(UNKNOWN): Thanks. Thanks, Jessica.
(UNKNOWN): Yes, someone in the room said Mr. Ely Ratner's already giving his opening statement.
MR. KIRBY: OK, we'll start here in the room.
Go ahead.
Q: Yeah, Abraham Mahshie with the Washington Examiner. Secretary
Esper really stressed China, Indo-Pacific, so did he -- didn't he leave
something behind for you guys to pick up? I don't know. It seems a
little bit like you're trying to figure out what was going on. Can you
help clarify that, please?
DR. RATNER: Sure, yeah. I think, again, the way that I would describe
it is that as the Department of Defense has become increasingly focused
on the China challenge, there's been a proliferation of activities and
policies and programs. Some of those began under the Obama-Biden
administration; some began under the Trump administration, much of it
for the good. And what we're trying to do here, again, is ensure that
these activities are synchronized, that they're coordinated, and that we
have our priorities straight.
Q: Is this a continuation of what was happening in the prior administration, or is there a starting over?
DR. RATNER: My -- I don't think the set marks of that are the right
way to think about it. I think what we're talking about here is how is
the Department of Defense responding to the China challenge?
Q: Thank you.
DR. RATNER: And we're going to be building upon existing efforts.
MR. KIRBY: Let's stay here in the room for one more. Nancy?
Q: I have two questions, one specific about the objectives, and then a
broader question along the lines of my colleague. You said you're
looking for priorities. You talked priorities. Is it priorities about
where the -- the -- future deployments would happen, priorities in terms
of funding? Can you give us any more specificity about priorities as
you see them in terms of questions that would answer, vis-a-vis, DOD
activity?
DR. RATNER: Yeah, so I'm -- what I'm not doing to do is prejudge the
findings of the -- of the task force. We did, in the fact sheet
yesterday, did list a number of areas where we're going to be looking,
to include strategy, operational concepts, technology and force
structure, force posture and force management, intelligence, alliances
and partnerships, our engagements with China. I think we're going to go
out and, again, survey the department and get a sense of where the
biggest challenges, and where might there be an opportunity for
secretary-level and leadership-level attention to move some of these
challenges forward.
Q: So…
DR. RATNER: So I don't -- I don't have a specific set in mind right
now, and it may end up being a disparate set of issues; again, some that
-- where the answer is, this an issue where there is a clear need for
sec -- a secretary-level decision or guidance, right? There might be
another area -- this is really important; hasn't necessarily received
the attention and resources it deserves, and this is a budget issue. And
then there may be others that are process issues. Here's an area where
there's a lot of activity going on in different parts of the department.
It isn't sufficiently synchronized, and here's one way you might think
about addressing that set of issues. So there is -- I think it'll be --
it'll be a range of different types of issues, actually.
Q: Okay. And then broadly, one thing I'm having a hard time
understanding, one is the things, I think, maybe (inaudible) from the
Biden campaign is that they were coming in with a lot of experience and a
lot of sort of priorities and agendas coming forth into the
administration. I was wondering if you could help us understand why
there's a need now for a sort of a subsequent review of China policy. I
think a critic would argue that there's some expectation that the
administration would come in with sort of priorities and goals and
approaches towards China and -- and the threat from -- from that region.
I was wondering if you could help us understand why there's a need for a
subsequent task force to the sort of policy agendas that the Biden
campaign promised coming into the administration.
DR. RATNER: Yeah, I think this task force is about ensuring that the
Department of Defense is playing its role in that whole-of-government
strategy as effectively as possible, not to be rewriting a -- a strategy
in and of itself. So ensuring that, again, the processes and the
activities are coordinated and synchronized, and that there's a clear
set of priorities.
MR. KIRBY: Okay, now we'll go to phone.
Bob?
Q: Yeah, hi, hi. This is Bob Burns. You may not be aware, but those
of us who are on the phones were only connected to the audio after the
speaker began taking questions, so didn't hear anything of what he said.
MR. KIRBY: We'll fix that. We'll -- we'll get you that transcript as soon as we can. Apologize for that problem.
Q: Can I ask a question anyway?
MR. KIRBY: Of course. That's -- yeah, absolutely.
Q: So again, not knowing what -- and someone may already asked this,
but just it was occurring to me. I didn't realize that he was going to
be explaining the -- the nuts and bolts of this task force. But I'm --
somebody's phone is ringing there. Sorry. But anyway, I'm wondering how
this examination of policies, force structure, and so forth, does not
overlap with the Global Force Posture Review that obviously also will
include INDOPAC.
DR. RATNER: Yeah, that's a good question, and the answer is that the
task force is going to work with and support and draw from a number of
the processes and -- that are occurring throughout the department. It is
a crosscutting challenge that is -- you know, addresses not only the --
the Global Posture Review, but a -- a number of other reviews and
processes that are going to be occurring. So I think the answer to that
question specifically is that we'll have folks that are very much
integrated in that process, and that the outcomes and the findings of
the Global Posture Review will be integrated into the thinking that
we're doing here, and into -- to the extent that we are also going to be
looking at force posture questions, thinking about the implementation
and review, going forward, about how to be most effective in that
regard, including how they relate to the National Defense Strategy or
otherwise.
So I've done -- been working on China a long time, I led a major
study in my last job at the Center for a New American Security. It was a
congressionally-mandated study out of the 2019 NDAA on China. I
understand very clearly the problem – China's a matrix problem because
it cuts into almost every single functional issue and, frankly,
increasingly every geographic issue that we -- that we deal with.
And so that's -- that's something I do have some experience in, and
the answer is to be working with them in a cooperative way and making
sure that we're all -- neither to displace them, but to be rowing in the
same direction.
MR. KIRBY: Did that answer your question, Bob?
Q: Yeah, unfortunately -- yeah, thanks for that. I mean,
unfortunately, there's somebody's phone on the line that keeps ringing, I
couldn't hear a lot of it. But anyway, that's -- aside from that, you
can move on.
MR. KIRBY: All right, thanks Bob.
Phil Stewart from Reuters?
Q: I think you said Phil Stewart, but I couldn't hear because of the ringing (inaudible) more difficult than it needs to be.
But if you (inaudible) -- (give ?) a sense of -- if you could (just
give ?) a sense of how these (inaudible) elapse in general because, you
know, sort of almost in a Venn diagram right now, are there other
reviews that you intend to -- to (inaudible) specific issues, or are you
pretty much through with the reviews (inaudible) (other ones that ?)
(inaudible) stand-downs in Afghanistan and (inaudible) (Republic ?)? Are
there other ones (inaudible) as well?
MR. KIRBY: Did you get enough of that --
DR. RATNER: I did. I think that's for you. I mean, the question is, is where does it fit in the -- in the --
MR. KIRBY: -- the other -- the other review.
DR. RATNER: Yeah.
MR. KIRBY: Or is this the last one, is what I took away from that.
Q: Yeah.
MR. KIRBY: Other reviews?
Q: Of other geographical areas, other problems.
Q: Task forces --
MR. KIRBY: Okay, okay.
SQ: -- beyond --
MR. KIRBY: Okay, thank you. You guys got more of it than I did.
(Laughter.)
STAFF: Well, we're used to listening to Phil.
MR. KIRBY: So, Phil, I mean, I -- I don't -- I would never want to
get ahead of the secretary's decision-making. I mean, I think, as Dr.
Ratner's pointed out, that the secretary firmly believes in the -- the
usefulness of this task force look over the next few months, and he
certainly is interested in pursuing the global posture review in as
timely a manner as possible, and we've talked about that being complete
by mid-year, mid-summer.
And if the secretary believes that there are other parts of the world
or other issues, functional issues, other capabilities that he believes
warrants additional study or review, you know, I'm sure he will make
the appropriate decisions in that regard.
So I don't want to get ahead of -- of decisions he hasn't made yet,
except to say that he is very committed -- and you can see from all the
work that he's doing in just these first couple of weeks on a range of
issues. He's committed to getting his arms around what the department is
doing, what we're doing well, what we're not doing well, and how do you
make up that difference. And I think you're going to see his headspace
continually in that -- right there, for a while.
Does that answer your question, Phil?
Q: I mean, should we all on the -- in the media think that a review
equates to changes in policy? Or is a review just that? The fact that
you're doing these reviews, that you're actually going to change
anything?
MR. KIRBY: By definition, this is a chance to get smarter. And it may
or may not involve actual policy changes. A review is just that. And I
would -- you know, I'd caution everybody from -- from, you know, trying
to anticipate or predict likely changes in force structure or
resourcing, strategy, operational concepts, capabilities, until the
reviews are complete.
So I would not -- I understand the -- the anticipation on your part
is that there'll be some changes as a result, and I suspect that in any
of the reviews that he's doing, there may in fact be policy changes. But
I -- again, I don't want to get ahead of his decision space and the
kind of advice and counsel that he's going to be getting from all these
activities.
Go into the room, Lara?
Q: Hi. Thanks for doing this. So two quick questions. One, are you --
specifically are you re-looking at the DOD list of Chinese companies
that are blacklisted? And then secondly, a little bit more broadly, can
you tell us a little bit about this administration's posture on
telecommunications and the Huawei issue and is that going to -- how is
that going to -- how are you going to tackle that?
DR. RATNER: Yes, so I think this is a good question that -- that may
illuminate a little bit of how we're going to be approaching this.
So on the question -- the first question of Chinese companies
connected to the PLA, what we're going to be doing on the task force is
trying to understand whether the Department of Defense is effectively
organized to try to address these types of issues, right?
And so the goal is not to say the list should be this long and this
is what the -- the goal of the task force is not to make policy on that
particular issue. The goal of the task force is to ensure that the
Department of Defense is configured and organized to support the
interagency strategy on those sets of issues, both of them.
So for sure, we're likely to be addressing technology issues, hoping
to have either representatives on the task force itself, and if not then
deep engagement with R&E and A&S and other parts of OSD that
are tackling some of the technology issues. But for sure, we're going to
be going after them.
But the question that we're going to be asking is are we prepared to
answer these questions as best we can, not what's the right answer on
this specific policy issue. There's already a policy process under way
that's doing that that we're not going to be replacing. So the normal
conduct of China policy and the interagency process will be occurring
separate from this task force, the task force does not take over that
role during this time.
Q: So will you be looking whether to reorganize the Asia-Pacific
desk, is that the kind of thing that you're going to be looking into
doing? Like, I guess, ASD / DASD, like, are you looking to do a reorg of
that?
DR. RATNER: That is not currently on my -- on my likely agenda list, no, no.
Q: I guess I'm just trying to understand what that means exactly,
that you're trying to figure out whether your best positioned to --
whether DOD is best organized to address these problems. Like what
changes could there be?
DR. RATNER: I'm not going to pre -- again, I'm not -- and I'm being
completely straight, I'm not going to pre-judge the findings. What --
what is clear is that this issue of technology competition is of
increasing importance in the U.S.-China relationship. It's a huge
priority for the administration, they've made that clear. There's a new
technology directorate inside the NSC.
And many of the issues related to technology have to do with defense
and security issues, and we have to make sure that DOD is adequately
organized to be able to answer the kind of questions that the
interagency is asking, and also as it relates to both innovation and
supply chain and technology protection issues.
So this is, in -- in some ways, a -- it's illustrative, insofar as
it's, in some ways, a -- a new issue set in parts of its dimensions and
we kind of make sure that we're organized to address it.
MR. KIRBY: I think we have to – got time for one more, Ely?
DR. RATNER: Yeah, sure.
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MR. KIRBY: Can you do one more? Meghann?
Q: I haven't got a ton of questions. Sorry, Dr. Ratner.
(CROSSTALK)
MR. KIRBY: One more for Dr. Ratner. Go ahead, Jim.
Q: Sir, the military-to-military contacts in the Indo-Pacific are --
are key to a lot of these things. Will your task force be looking at the
current state of military-to-military contacts and then perhaps
suggesting areas where they could be improved or enhanced or -- or new
countries that should be approached? Is that the sort of thing you're
looking at?
DR. RATNER: Absolutely, I think both in the context of how are we
approaching our alliances and partnerships but also how are we
approaching our defense relations with China? Absolutely, we'll be
looking at both of those.
Q: As a follow up to that, is -- is one of the things you're looking
at whether to deploy intermediate range -- land-based intermediate range
missiles near China?
DR. RATNER: I don't have a comment on that. I think to -- to Lara's
question, we're not going to be looking to answer very specific policy
questions in that regard, as much as we are to surface key challenges,
raise big questions, and then identify processes and who in the
department are the appropriate folks to get after them.
MR. KIRBY: OK. Thank you very much. I'll stay behind, let Dr. Ratner to get going. I'll be right back -- be right back.
Q: Hey, thanks for doing this.
DR. RATNER: Thank you.
STAFF: Stay put, I’ll be right back.
Q: Come back and do it again.
MR. KIRBY: OK. I apologize for the technical difficulties today.
We'll get that ironed out. Just back to normal stuff, I've got a couple
of things at the top here. As you know, we had a great visit by the
President and Vice President yesterday. And as we talked about just a
little bit ago, he announced the -- the China task force.
So on other news, we haven't had a chance to publicly welcome her but
we're absolutely delighted to have Dr. Hicks back here to the total
force, where she will serve as the 35th Deputy Secretary of Defense. As I
think you all know, she was unanimously confirmed by the Senate and
onboarded here at the Pentagon on Tuesday. She's had a very busy first
couple of days.
As she said in her confirmation hearing, she looks forward to working
alongside professionals who have dedicated their lives to our national
defense and leveraging her past experience to drive continued progress.
In just the last couple of days, she's received briefings on COVID
and the DOD's response efforts to COVID, China, the budget -- and budget
season, as you all know, is coming very, very soon -- and the
department's sexual assault and prevention efforts. These are just the
first in a series of -- of briefings that are going to be -- we're going
to help her get up to speed and provide informed policy decisions and
recommendations to support the Secretary's priorities.
As for the Secretary, yesterday I think you saw he had a call with
the Norwegian Minister of Defense Frank Bakke-Jensen that reaffirmed the
strategic defense relationship between the United States and Norway.
Secretary Austin thanked the Minister for hosting rotational U.S.
Marines for cold weather training and underscored the importance of
continued training operations and cooperation in the high north. And it
was a very warm and friendly conversation, as -- as you might expect.
Today, the Secretary also had a chance to speak with Polish Minister
of Defense Mariusz Blaszczak -- Blaszczak to reinforce the importance of
the longstanding U.S.-Poland strategic alliance. The Secretary and the
Minister discussed a range of issues, including Poland's commitment to
defense modernization, the U.S. force presence in Poland, and the
extension of the New START Treaty, as well as exchanging views on
regional security.
They both hailed the significance of the recently signed Enhanced
Defense Cooperation Agreement as important to strengthening our
mil-to-mil relationship and they look forward to its implementation. The
enduring presence of U.S. rotational forces in Poland enhances NATO's
interoperability and strengthens defense and deterrence along NATO's
eastern flank.
The Secretary noted the value of Poland's contributions to the
alliance and expressed his commitment to continuing -- continued
consultation on challenges impacting Euro-Atlantic security. Both
leaders look forward to meeting in person as soon as COVID conditions do
permit.
I think you've also seen the departure today of the first team that
will go to support FEMA-led vaccination sites. This one will -- this --
this Army unit is deploying out of Fort Carson. They're going to eastern
Los Angeles. They are due to arrive on or about the 15th of this month,
so just -- just four -- four days away.
I'm sure you will have questions about follow on teams, and what I
would tell you today is that we continue to source those requirements
and work with FEMA to determine future sites out of that initial tranche
of -- of 1,110. I don't have any announcements of that today or
specifics on where those additional teams will go and exactly when
they're going to be there but the -- the conversation with FEMA and with
state and local authorities continues. And as we get more information
about additional teams, we'll certainly provide it to you and as quick
as possible -- as -- as quickly as possible.
OK, that's it for my topper. I'm going to go back to Bob to see if he had any -- Bob, if you had any other questions today?
Q: Yeah, thanks. I do have a -- a question. President Biden
apparently declared an end to the national emergency on the southern
border. I'm wondering whether this has any implications for troops
deployed down there, either National Guard or active?
MR. KIRBY: So, Bob, as I understand it, it -- it won't have a -- an
immediate impact, that that -- that that mission is funded through the
rest of the year. So I don't have any changes to that mission to read
out as a result of the President's decision.
Q: Thank you.
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MR. KIRBY: Hey – hey – hey. What's that?
Q: (Inaudible).
MR. KIRBY: No, go ahead.
Q: No, I'll just wait -- no, Meghann had a question, I'll go after her.
MR. KIRBY: OK, Meghann, go ahead.
Q: Thank you. Well, this is a follow-up to Bob's. If there's no plan
in place right now is that because it's not something the Pentagon is
thinking about? Is that somebody else's call? Could the governors start
bringing their own people back? Like, who had the authority here to
start drawing down at the border?
MR. KIRBY: It's not that we're not thinking about it. It's that it's a
-- it's a -- the mission was funded and programmed for the rest of this
year. We always evaluate mission readiness and needs and requirements, I
just don't have any changes to read out a result of this particular
presidential decision. Okay? Lucas?
Q: How much did this cost?
MR. KIRBY: I don't have that in front of me, Lucas. We'll take that question and get back to you.
Go ahead.
Q: The president could also decide that the mission ends today and the troops come home today, right? He just hasn't drafted --
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MR. KIRBY: He is the commander-in-chief.
Barbara?
Q: I wanted to ask you something completely different. So we've all
now seen the video on Capitol Hill on January 6th of the vice president
being rapidly escorted out of the area with his entire detail, which
included the military officer carrying the nuclear football. And we've
seen the video of all of them, including that military officer, moving
in a very extreme situation.
Defense officials who deal with nuclear weapons say they were not
aware of -- during that very brief period of time inside the Capitol
that -- of -- that the nuclear -- the officer carrying the nuclear
football were in this extreme, extreme situation.
So I wanted to ask if this now raises questions, review, concerns
about -- it's a new scenario, domestic insurrection -- about -- about
maintaining control of the football. Is this something the Department
feels it needs to look at in case there are new scenarios for
maintaining positive control out there?
MR. KIRBY: A couple of things, obviously this is not the forum and I
would not get into a -- the discussion about specific command and
control over nuclear strategic forces. Number two, we have seen the
video and don't have any particular comment on that at this time. And
then three, I would say I'm not aware of that video and your question
driving any specific reviews inside the building.
The last thing I'd say just writ large is that there's nothing that
we take more seriously here at the Department than the safety and
security of the American people and in making sure that the -- the chain
of command has -- has the information they need, the right options
before them, and -- and -- and the capabilities in place to defend the
American people. And obviously, that certainly includes, as it always --
as it -- as it has historically, our strategic nuclear forces. And I
think that's --
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Q: Can I ask more broadly --
MR. KIRBY: -- as far as I'm going to go on that.
Q: -- Thank you. Can I ask more broadly, much more broadly, has --
have those events sparked any -- separate from the I.G. review, have
those events sparked any after-action so-called review in the Defense
Department about what transpired? Totally broadly across the spectrum on
that day, is there anything that you're looking at? Is there any review
underway? Any -- you after-action everything that I -- I know of, so
I'm just curious if you're doing any of that on this event -- the whole
January 6th.
MR. KIRBY: Outside of what I -- I -- I think has already been talked about in terms of -- of -- of...
Q: Well, there's the I.G.
MR. KIRBY: Right. I mean, outside of that, I'm not aware of anything
specific with respect to the events of that day. Does -- does that get
you...
Q: OK.
MR. KIRBY: Let me go to the phone again, here.
Scott from Federal News?
Q: Admiral Kirby, thank you so much for doing this. You know,
wondering a little bit about the National Guard. I know that you're in
talks with Congress right now, and they've sent a letter to see if you
can recoup any of the money that had been moved for previous budgets. Is
there any update on that, or you know, have you worked through any of
the bureaucracy to figure out how you might be able to get that money
back into the military construction areas?
MR. KIRBY: You're talking down at the Southwest border, is that
right? I think that's what he was referring to. I don't have an -- I
don't have an update on that. The -- I think he's referring to the --
the reprogramming. Let me just see if I've got -- yeah. They actually
teed me up for that question, and the answer is we don't have an answer
yet. We're -- we're working with the necessary policy offices and the
comptroller, so I'm afraid we don't have an update for you on that.
Phil from Reuters, do you have another one?
Q: Yeah, just this one -- one more. You know, is it -- is it fair to
assume then, that if there hasn't been an announced review on a subject,
that if not, that matter is not under a policy discussion, or isn't
under review? Or should we just assume that everyone is under review?
MR. KIRBY: I missed the first part of your question. You said do we assume there's a review on what?
Q: Well, I guess, you know, the -- that a lot of these reviews that
have been announced on major issues that -- that are kind of in focus,
but I'm wondering, you know, isn't kind of natural for an incoming
administration to do a review on everything, in a way? And -- and -- and
I guess the -- the -- the question is, you know, is it -- is it safe to
assume then that even if a review hasn't been announced on any given
issue, that there -- that that's not under review anyway?
MR. KIRBY: No, I don't think that's safe to assume, Phil. I mean,
when -- when -- when we launch a review, when a -- when a -- when a -- a
-- a formal process is implemented to take a look at a challenge, an
area, a function, we're going to be open and honest with you about
that.
But you hit the nail on the head when you talked about a -- a new
team coming in and naturally wanting to get the lay of the land, and to
better understand what policies are in place that we would want to
continue, what policies might we want to change? And that also could
lead to resourcing programming capability changes, too. I mean, I think
this is just a natural evolution, and what we've tried to do is -- is be
as transparent with you as we can in terms of what we're reviewing,
what the timeline is and -- and the resources that we're -- that we're
applying to it. I mean, you just heard from Dr. Ratner. I mean, he was
very specific in terms of the -- the number of people on the China Task
Force.
So long answer to your question, but no, I don't think it's safe to
assume that just everything is under review, but certainly, there is a
lot to review. And -- and as you guys have reported -- reported, you
know, the -- the transition process was, in some areas, not as
comprehensive as it was in -- in others. So again, I -- I think this is
-- this is to be expected.
What I can -- the last thing, and I'll say on this, is just to foot
stomp it again, is, I mean, I -- I can assure you that as we learn
things, as we change things, as reviews are complete we will be open and
transparent with you about -- about whatever changes come down the
pike. OK?
In the back, there?
Q: Thank you. (inaudible). So in about 2009, the (inaudible) called a
military in (inaudible) to sort of – look at and present and
alternative energy and new energy-efficient ways to (inaudible) in the
military. I'm wondering if there's anything (inaudible) to that which
(inaudible) coming forward now to (inaudible), and if there's -- will
you be looking forward to continue those efforts or to wrap them up.
MR. KIRBY: I don't have -- I don't have a particular comment on -- on the senator's -- the trip or her...
Q: (inaudible) but the fact that this was going -- ended up going on
in the military, there was a focus on it, and she (inaudible) to
highlight it and (inaudible) to present...
MR. KIRBY: Right.
Q: ... (inaudible).
MR. KIRBY: So what I would say is I'm -- obviously, the department
knows well the impacts of -- of climate change, and we know that they're
real. We've seen it firsthand in -- in expanded mission requirements,
degraded training, costly damage to property and infrastructure. The
department has committed to and has a successful track record of
including climate change considerations in our various activities and
risk assessments. Our past actions are no longer sufficient, we believe,
to meet projected impact trajectories or specific requirements of
administration policy -- administrative policy, sorry.
So we believe greater integration at the front end of all our
processes is required to ensure climate resilience for installations and
operations. And -- and just to remind, in -- in 2019 alone, the
department assessed climate-related impacts to 79 installations in every
geographic combatant command area of responsibility. And as President
Biden highlighted from the department's -- that -- the climate report
from January of 2019, about two thirds of 79 mission assurance priority
installations, based on their operational role, are vulnerable to
current and future recurrent flooding, and more than a half are
vulnerable to current or future drought. About one half are vulnerable
to wildfires.
And I could go on and on in -- in more detail here, but obviously, we
-- we not only feel the impacts of the change in climate to our
facilities and installations, but we feel it in terms of the missions we
are asked to perform around the world, and not -- not just from the
security and stability problems that happen from -- for people leaving,
refugees from leaving extreme weather conditions, but -- but also, the
increase in the demand for U.S. military forces to contribute to
humanitarian aid and disaster relief around the world. Those -- those
requests continue to increase as this extreme weather increases in -- in
severity.
Q: Can I have a follow-up? Just to focus on energy, which is really a
strategic priority, it really, you know, underlies everything at the
military does, and it's either an enabler or a constrainer. Is there any
thought about putting additional resource -- resources (inaudible)
technology related to energy? (inaudible) is a scenario that is -- is
kind of under review.
MR. KIRBY: No, I think -- I mean we all -- we know we have to adapt
current and future operations to address resilience and in collaboration
with the components. The Department is developing installation energy
plans to identify, evaluate, and mitigate energy risks to critical
missions.
Our installation energy plans account for all those risks, including
the effects of a changing climate and to improve our ability to sustain
critical missions in contested environments.
So very much energy research development. Energy resilience, if you
will, is very much part and parcel of the kinds of preparations that
we're going to be doing across the department. It's not just external;
it's internal for us as well. And you might have seen in one of
President Biden's early E.O., executive orders, he tasked the secretary
to do exactly that.
To in fact make sure that we're factoring in the section climate
change, not only in the operational plans and resourcing requirements,
but also into our own internal energy programs.
Yes, sir?
Q: Thank you. (Inaudible) at Hart Airport at Saudi Arabia we've seen
more missiles coming from Yemen from the Houthi. First, I appreciate
your comment to -- are there any plans to send more assets to the area
to protect Saudi Arabia and also the Americans who are living there?
MR. KIRBY: I -- so a couple of things. I mean I'm -- I never talk
about future operations here from the podium. So I'm not going to start
doing that today. But to reiterate, Saudi Arabia is a pillar of regional
security architecture and they're a core stakeholder with respect to
counter terrorism and combating Iran's destabilizing activities.
Given the shared threat that we faced, the Department will -- seeks
to further cultivate strong partners to help share the burden in the
region. We are committed to assisting Saudi Arabia with the defense of
its borders in light of emergent and credible threats, so of which you
cited in your question.
So I -- there's no change from our policy perspective in that regard
but I don't and won't speak to specific potential future capability.
Q: Do they have enough assets? Do the U.S. have also enough assets to defend against the -- what the Houthi are trying to do?
MR. KIRBY: What I would tell you is, again, nothing's changed about
our commitment to helping Saudi Arabia defend its boarders, which are
very much under threat. We constantly review capabilities versus demand
anywhere around the world and adjust as necessary. It just wouldn't be
prudent for me to get ahead of decisions or to talk about future
potential operations here in this forum.
But I can assure you that it's something that we're constantly
looking at and constantly talking to our partners in Saudi Arabia
about.
OK. Here?
Q: Thank you. (Inaudible).
I'm just trying to understand the China task force, the need for them
and the transition period. So could you clarify? Did the old leadership
just leave and take their strategy with them, or did the last
leadership team share the China strategy and what it was doing with the
new administration, including Dr. Ratner, presumably he was part of some
of those transition meetings during that transition process.
MR. KIRBY: I'll have to get back to you. I don't have the specifics
of what -- what was handed over during the transition, especially on
China. So I'll take that question. We'll see if we can answer it in a
more comprehensive way but I would not want to speculate on that.
On the phone, Tony Capaccio?
Q: Hi there, John. Can you give a status report on the preparation
for the '22 budget? And how deeply has the Biden group delved into the
service plans, the '22 service plans they inherited? And what's the
status of the -- of tradeoff reviews right now?
MR. KIRBY: So, Tony, I mean, work is as -- not surprising to you --
work has already started on the '22 budget, and as I said in my topper,
Deputy Secretary Hicks has already begun to have budget briefings, and
she will continue to dive in deeper into the service plans here, as the
-- in the coming days.
I don't have specifics for you on that. The -- our team has just
arrived here in the last couple of weeks, so there's a lot of work to do
to get up to speed on what -- what planning the services have done thus
far and to make sure it nests well with the -- with this
administration's defense policies, so I don't have a specific update on
that or on the -- on your -- your second question.
Q: ... skinny budget that might be relation, new administrations put
out skinny budgets. Do you have any feel for whether this would be March
or April or into May at this point?
MR. KIRBY: I don't have an estimate right now on the -- on the skinny
budgets, Tony. But I'll take a look, and if we can get you something
more specific, I will.
Sam from USNI?
Q: Hi. I had a question on vaccination take rates across the -- the
services. I think -- I think you all alluded to last week, that you were
going to try and run down some numbers in terms of, you know, the
sailors, soldiers, airmen, and Marines who were eligible for vaccines.
Do you all have an idea of, you know, what the refusal rate is at this
point? Thank you.
MR. KIRBY: So what I can tell you, Sam, is we've got, so far, there's
been 1,040,825 doses ordered by the department. All of those doses have
shipped; 966,280 doses have been delivered to military treatment
facilities across the force, so almost all the ones that -- that were
shipped to us.
Eight hundred thousand, one hundred and thirty-five vaccinations have
been administered since the 14th of December, in -- in the department.
Of those 800,000, 589,442 -- we can get you these numbers specifically,
if you want -- were first doses; 210,693 were second doses.
So essentially, we've administered 82 percent of all the vaccines
delivered. And again, that's as of today, I understand it. And our --
it's -- you know, the focus is keen and sharp and we're continuing to --
to do what we can to make vaccines available to all those who -- who
want them.
Did that answer your question?
Q: Partially. I mean, the thing that I was looking at is, you know,
there's some effort by the individual services to combat misinformation,
and that implies that there is a higher number of folks that aren't
taking this, for whatever reason. And I understand all the caveats that,
you know, it's a -- we're in an emergency authorization for FDA, you
can't compel troops to take the vaccine.
What I'm more interested in is, who -- how many people are saying no when presented with the option?
MR. KIRBY: So, Sam, we don't have a good, firm number on that. And
I'm not surprised by that. The -- it is a voluntary vaccine, we are
keeping track of the ones we're getting and the ones we're giving, and
that's -- got those numbers, and we'll continue to update those numbers
for you.
But it's because it's not compulsory, there's no central tracking
system to keep track of those who are either refusing the vaccine or, in
some cases, deferring their decision on the vaccine. Some people simply
want to -- want to wait.
So I don't think that we're going to be in a place where we can give
you an exact number of refusals because of the nature of this -- these
vaccines being -- being voluntary.
I would point you back to what General Friedrichs said a couple of
weeks ago, and we'll check to see if this is still valid. But I think he
said that the refusal rates roughly mirror that what we're seeing in
society. But -- but I will double-check that to see if that is still his
assessment, but I don't think we're going to ever be in a place where
we can give you an exact number of refusals. Yeah.
Q: Can I follow up on his question? Like, does this concern the
secretary that service members are refusing and does he believe -- has
he been asking -- and you don't know the refusal rate, but when the
secretary asks, he’ll get an answer.
(LAUGHTER)
MR. KIRBY: Yeah. The -- certainly, we'd like to have as much
visibility on -- on how the administration of vaccines is going, and the
-- and as much understanding as we can about the concerns of those
people who don't want it, or don't want it right away.
You saw Dr. Fauci and -- and the first lady, just last week...
(CROSSTALK)
Q: Is it a concern...
(CROSSTALK)
MR. KIRBY: ... did a town hall -- I'm getting there. Did a town hall
with -- with Blue Star families about trying to address their concerns.
And certainly, it's a concern of the secretary, but he's also mindful
that it's a voluntary program.
And while he has taken the vaccine because he believes it was the
right thing to do for him and for his health and for his family, and for
his ability to do the job, he recognizes that this is a personal
decision that everybody has to make.
And he encourages every member of the military and military families
to go to the CDC website and go to Defense.gov, and read up on this,
read about the intensive safety regime that these vaccines have gone
through, and get -- and get knowledgeable about it.
And then he also encourages them, as he did, to reach out to their
primary care physician, and ask their doctors about the degree to which
this vaccine makes sense for them. Everybody -- everybody's different,
and some people have -- well, everybody has a different health
situation, and he respects that and wants them to talk to their doctors
about this.
OK?
Lara?
Q: So I guess I just wanted to clear up some of what Dr. Ratner was
saying. I don't really understand still what he means when he says that
the task force will get -- like, whether we need to reorganize the
Department. If that doesn't mean reorganizing OSD policy -- like, so
what exactly is it that you would be reorganizing?
MR. KIRBY: I can't explain it in deeper detail than -- that Dr.
Ratner did. I thought he was pretty definitive in his answer to you that
reorganization of the Department's structure with respect to the
Indo-Pacific region was not on his agenda list. But I -- I would -- it
would be foolish for me to try to go into greater detail than he -- he
went in with you.
Yes, go ahead, over there.
Q: Yes, (inaudible). So as just a follow-up on China task force,
every year the DOD is producing a China report and this is going to just
be for four months. So everything is -- by the time this report is
finished so many other developments might come up. So how it will be
different from the annual China report and the recommendations that they
are going to produce? And how -- you know, why it is timely right now?
Why is it timely?
MR. KIRBY: Well, it's timely right now because, as the secretary
testified to, the -- the Department believes China is the number one
pacing challenge for the Department. And it's a -- U.S. bilateral
relations with China as well as China's influence on the world stage is a
central focus of the Biden administration's foreign policy. So it's
perfectly -- this task force effort is perfectly nested inside that and
supportive of that.
The China report is a congressionally mandated report that we have to
do every year, as you know. And that's a fulsome sort of comprehensive
look at -- at China's activities and their capabilities. The task force
is not connected to that effort.
And I think, again, Dr. Ratner laid out all the things that the task
force is going to be looking at in terms of high-priority topics,
strategy, operational concepts -- the United States strategy, the United
States operational concepts, technology and force structure, force
posture, force management, intelligence, our alliances and partnerships,
and defense relations with China. It's about looking at -- at how we
are organized, how we are structured, and the things that we believe we
need to focus on.
The China report, again, it's congressionally mandated, is about --
is a -- is the summary of what we believe China's up to. So it's a
completely different effort.
Q: And -- and on Iran I have a question -- actually this was a
follow-up. So I have -- my main question was on Iran. The Iranian
intelligence chief says that Iran might continue with its nuclear
program. Does the secretary believe that it's not late for the
diplomatic effort to bring back Iran into the -- you know, the nuclear
agreement?
MR. KIRBY: Well, the secretary believes that no problem in the Middle
East gets easier to solve with a nuclear-armed Iran. And as he said
yesterday, the Department will be in full support of our diplomats and
the State Department as they examine this going forward. The -- your
question is really better placed for my colleague at the State
Department than it is here in the Defense Department.
Let me go to the phones again. Brian from -- it looks like Air Force Magazine.
Q: Yep, thanks for -- thanks for that. I have a -- I wanted to follow
up on the Global Force Posture Review. About when it was announced,
AFRICOM was wrapping up its repositioning of forces in East Africa,
called Operation Octave Quartz.
So is that repositioning and withdrawal from Somalia by the time that
was announced or has the operation been on pause as (inaudible)?
MR. KIRBY: I'm going to have to ask you to repeat your question. I -- I didn't get all of it, I'm sorry.
Q: I was just asking about the freeze on re-posturing in Africa. Was
the withdrawal from Somalia completed by the time that became
(inaudible)?
MR. KIRBY: It's about the freeze in -- in Somalia -- is right -- I
think -- I don't have an update for you on that, I'm afraid. I -- I --
if I understand it, it's -- is it tied up in the posture review, and I'm
afraid I don't have a good answer for you. I'm going to have to take
that question and see if we can get back to you.
Nancy?
Q: I have a question about the reviews on combating sexual assault
and extremism in the military. As I understand it, the Secretary's
looking for input from military commanders in sort of tracking these
problems. Is that right?
MR. KIRBY: That's right.
Q: Why, during his career -- his military career, did he never tackle
these issues, specifically when he was commander at Fort Bragg and the
Vice Chief of Staff of the Army?
MR. KIRBY: I wouldn't think that that's necessarily the case. I mean,
he's talked very openly about his experiences in command of the 82nd
Airborne and -- and that they had skinheads in the unit and that they
didn't know who to look for and that the -- you know, they and the
leadership missed some of the signs.
And what he has said they learned from that was that -- that while
the leadership may miss some of these things, that there's probably
other people in the unit that -- that are aware and maybe, for whatever
reason, aren't willing or able or comfortable speaking up.
And so one of the things -- and you saw this when we announced the
stand down -- that -- that he wants to use this stand down for. It's not
just to transmit information to the men and women serving the
department but to listen to them and to their experiences because they
might be feeling and seeing and experiencing and encountering extremist
ideology and -- and conduct in ways that we're not aware.
So it's -- it's -- it's really as much an effort to -- to reach out and to -- and to get -- and to get smarter.
Q: I guess I'm having a hard time understanding because Vice Chief of
Staff of the Army, for example, would have been a prime position to
really make this a priority issue and have those discussions and it
strikes me that (inaudible) he could have heard was to engage in those
conversations in uniform, face to face with troops, in a way that
perhaps as Secretary he's -- he had distance from because of the perch
in which he now sits.
And so I'm trying to reconcile how it went from something that he
never really addressed -- I've never seen any public statements
addressing each -- each of these issues in terms of coming up with
solutions or tasking it, to now making those a priority as Secretary.
What was the shift ...
MR. KIRBY: Well, we’ve talked about this. I mean, I think -- I think
the -- certainly the -- the -- the events over the last year, and in
particular, you know, early last month, certainly sharpened everybody's
view here about the significance -- the potential significance of this
issue.
But it's not a -- you know, to your point, it's -- it's not something
that is totally new to the military, nor is it new to society. And -- I
mean, I think the first -- the first -- the -- the most recent
instruction that we've put out on extremism in the military is dated
2012.
So this is not an issue that he would have been unaware of as the
Army Vice Chief of Staff or that he did nothing on it. I don't think
that's a fair characterization. I mean, this is something that all of
the services have been aware of as a problem for a while.
But I think the events over the last year or so have certainly
sharpened the degree to which -- we believe the degree -- degree to
which we need to take a look at this. And -- and I think, you know,
Nancy, some of this is -- is -- it's -- it's become more of an issue in
American society, as well, and social media, which didn't exist to the
-- the -- the degree that it exists now, has made it so much easier for
radicalization to occur, as well as to spread.
And, of course, you know, we're -- we're seeing obviously an
increasing polarization on many different issues in -- inside American
society and we recruit from American society. So I think it's also part
and parcel of just problems that we're having throughout the country
that have accelerated and expanded in -- in very recent months, if -- if
not just recent years.
But it's not something that -- I -- I -- I wouldn't characterize it
as -- as -- as not focusing on it or ignoring it. I mean, he -- he
would've been aware of it, he was aware of it as a lieutenant colonel.
So it's something that he has certainly -- certainly been mindful of.
It's just that because of all of these other dynamics in -- in -- in
this country right now, it has -- it has certainly come to the fore. And
-- and look, what I said, you know, before, the -- the numbers -- the
numbers of individuals who espouse these kinds of beliefs and who act on
them, though small, might be bigger than we're comfortable knowing and
admitting. And so we've got to find that out. We don't know what we
don't know but it's probably not as big as what the headlines might
suppose.
Somewhere in between is the truth about the extent of this and we
don't -- we don't fully understand it, we don't know it and -- and
that's one of the reasons why he's trying to get his arms around this.
The other thing I'd say -- and I -- and I don't mean to filibuster here
-- is the -- the stand down -- and he said this -- this is -- this is
not meant to be a panacea, it's not going to solve every problem with
respect to this but it might help us A, get some awareness out there
about how seriously the leadership is taking it, and B, it might produce
some good ideas, it might help us think about it in a different way if
we hear from the experiences of -- of men and women in the force.
And the -- the second thing that I'll say is that it -- it doesn't
foreclose, doesn't prevent, doesn't predict any other activities or
initiatives the Secretary might take going forward. I don't think this
-- this stand -- I -- well I know the stand down's not going to be the
last you hear from him on this or department leadership but I -- I -- I
would expect that it will help inform him as he makes follow on
decisions.
Q: Do you think he would say that in his time in uniform,
particularly as a top commander, that he adequately addresses his -- not
-- both -- both extremism and sexual assault in the military?
MR. KIRBY: I -- did he adequately ...
Q: ... address, tackle, try to get at these -- those initiatives?
MR. KIRBY: I think everybody, every leader in this -- in -- in -- in
the department, both current and former, would -- would tell you that
you can always do more. OK? All right, thanks, everybody, got to go --
I've got to go.
Q: The -- the -- the hack on that small Florida town's water supply,
is the Defense Department, in any way, aiding that investigation?
MR. KIRBY: I'm not aware of that, Lucas. You got me -- you caught me
cold there. Let me -- let me go look and see. I -- I don't know.
Q: Only because the Israelis say they are helping, which is what made me...
MR. KIRBY: Oh.
Q: Yeah.